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			<title>Small Businesses Are Not Optimistic: Is Healthcare Cost the Reason?</title>
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			<description><![CDATA[One of the things that talking heads keep repeating is that increased health care costs are one of the reasons causing employers to avoid adding new hires.  This is reported to be especially important for smaller companies.

It certainly is true that small business is seeing much less indication of recovery.  The NFIB (National Federation of Independent Business) survey is much more pessimistic than the ISM (Institute for Supply Management) as shown in the following graph:

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The NFIB survey covers small businesses, while the ISM surveys large companies.

A quote from the 5-Min. Forecast: (http://5minforecast.agorafinancial.com/the-war-on-small-business/)&#8220;The persistence of Index readings below 90 is unprecedented in survey history,&#8221; says the NFIB. Contrast its readings over the last five years with, for instance, the big-business ISM manufacturing index, which has pointed to expansion for over a year now&#8230; 

Steven Hansen discusses the differences in the various business activity reports in detail in his weekly economic review (http://econintersect.com/wordpress/?p=283) posted September 3.

One of the continuing problems facing small business is the advancing cost of health care.  Small companies are facing a bigger acceleration in health care costs than large companies, as shown in the following graphic:

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A report (http://ehbs.kff.org/) from the Kaiser Family Foundation and Health Research and Educational Trust found a lower growth rate for the same time period than did the Los Angeles Times (above), as shown in the following graph (click to enlarge images):

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From the Kaiser data, small business health insurance costs compounded at an 8% rate 1999 through 2009, while large companies compounded at 9%.  The LA Times data produces a similar 9% compounding for large businesses, but a significantly higher 11% for small businesses.

The Kaiser report (http://ehbs.kff.org/) found 2010 increases in employer sponsored health care insurance premiums climbed 3% for family coverage and 5% for single coverage.  These are far less than the 9% compound growth rate for large businesses and 8% or 11% for small businesses over the 11 prior years.  The 2010 increases are more than 40% less than the health care costs increased in 2009.  Also, as we shall see later in this article, the 2010 increases were essentially completely transferred to increased employee contributions.

The percentage of workers covered by employer sponsored health care plans has not changed in a statistically significant way from year to year since 1999.  However, there does appear to be a clear trend from a high of 65% in 2001 to 59% in 2010.

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The down trend in percentage coverage does not tell the whole story, however.  The 60% coverage of NFP (non-farm payrolls) of 137.9 million at the beginning of 2008 implies 5.9 million fewer employees covered in August 2010, when NFP is reported as 130.3 million.

The same report (http://ehbs.kff.org/) indicates that employee contributions to health care have increased.  The systematic pattern from 2009 is shown in the following graph:

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The first statistically significant change year-to-year has occurred in 2010.  I view the increasing employee contribution as a positive.  It is one step of many that need to be made to transfer cost control for medical care to the patient, which I have been arguing is necessary to achieve a bending of the health care cost curve downward.  See here (http://www.thestreet.com/story/10560860/1/patient-needs-larger-role-in-health-care.html), here (http://seekingalpha.com/article/156948-healthcare-debate-dominated-by-shouting-and-lobbies) and here. (http://seekingalpha.com/instablog/98115-john-lounsbury/38985-let-the-public-see-what-they-pay-for-health-care)

What is significant, as regards the title question, is that health care costs for employers are actually little changed in 2010.  According to the Kaiser report (http://ehbs.kff.org/), approximately half (47%) of the coverage is for single workers.  In 2010, health care coverage costs are increasing approximately $408 per family, while employee contributions have increased approximately $528 per family.  The numbers are reversed for single employees, with costs increasing by $264 per employee and employee contributions increasing by an average of $144.  Total employer costs for health care are actually slightly down because 47% of employees (single coverage) cost employers an average of $120 a year more per employee while 53% of employees cost an average of $120 a year less.

In 2010, health care costs for businesses, on average, are actually flat to down on a per employee basis. Growing health care costs are not the reason that small businesses are pessimistic.

*Disclosure: *No stocks mentioned.

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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<div>One of the things that talking heads keep repeating is that increased health care costs are one of the reasons causing employers to avoid adding new hires.  This is reported to be especially important for smaller companies.<br />
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It certainly is true that small business is seeing much less indication of recovery.  The NFIB (National Federation of Independent Business) survey is much more pessimistic than the ISM (Institute for Supply Management) as shown in the following graph:<br />
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<img style="max-width: 624px;" src="http://www.gold-speculator.com/attachments/john-lounsbury/11860d1283788399-small-businesses-not-optimistic-healthcare-cost-reason-98115-128348491205114-john-lounsbury.png" border="0" alt="" /><br />
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The NFIB survey covers small businesses, while the ISM surveys large companies.<br />
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A quote from the <a href="http://5minforecast.agorafinancial.com/the-war-on-small-business/" target="_blank">5-Min. Forecast:</a><blockquote><i>&#8220;The persistence of Index readings below 90 is unprecedented in survey history,&#8221; says the NFIB. Contrast its readings over the last five years with, for instance, the big-business ISM manufacturing index, which has pointed to expansion for over a year now&#8230; </i><br />
</blockquote>Steven Hansen discusses the differences in the various business activity reports in detail in his weekly <a href="http://econintersect.com/wordpress/?p=283" target="_blank">economic review</a> posted September 3.<br />
<br />
One of the continuing problems facing small business is the advancing cost of health care.  Small companies are facing a bigger acceleration in health care costs than large companies, as shown in the following graphic:<br />
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<img style="max-width: 624px;" src="http://www.gold-speculator.com/attachments/john-lounsbury/11861d1283788399-small-businesses-not-optimistic-healthcare-cost-reason-98115-128348530623782-john-lounsbury.png" border="0" alt="" /><br />
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A <a href="http://ehbs.kff.org/" target="_blank">report</a> from the Kaiser Family Foundation and Health Research and Educational Trust found a lower growth rate for the same time period than did the <i>Los Angeles Times </i>(above), as shown in the following graph (click to enlarge images):<br />
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<img style="max-width: 624px;" src="http://www.gold-speculator.com/attachments/john-lounsbury/11862d1283788399-small-businesses-not-optimistic-healthcare-cost-reason-98115-12835264237348-john-lounsbury_origin.png" border="0" alt="" /><br />
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From the Kaiser data, small business health insurance costs compounded at an 8% rate 1999 through 2009, while large companies compounded at 9%.  The <i>LA Times </i>data produces a similar 9% compounding for large businesses, but a significantly higher 11% for small businesses.<br />
<br />
The Kaiser <a href="http://ehbs.kff.org/" target="_blank">report</a> found 2010 increases in employer sponsored health care insurance premiums climbed 3% for family coverage and 5% for single coverage.  These are far less than the 9% compound growth rate for large businesses and 8% or 11% for small businesses over the 11 prior years.  The 2010 increases are more than 40% less than the health care costs increased in 2009.  Also, as we shall see later in this article, the 2010 increases were essentially completely transferred to increased employee contributions.<br />
<br />
The percentage of workers covered by employer sponsored health care plans has not changed in a statistically significant way from year to year since 1999.  However, there does appear to be a clear trend from a high of 65% in 2001 to 59% in 2010.<br />
<br />
<img style="max-width: 624px;" src="http://www.gold-speculator.com/attachments/john-lounsbury/11863d1283788399-small-businesses-not-optimistic-healthcare-cost-reason-98115-128353340394749-john-lounsbury_origin.png" border="0" alt="" /><br />
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The down trend in percentage coverage does not tell the whole story, however.  The 60% coverage of NFP (non-farm payrolls) of 137.9 million at the beginning of 2008 implies 5.9 million fewer employees covered in August 2010, when NFP is reported as 130.3 million.<br />
<br />
The same <a href="http://ehbs.kff.org/" target="_blank">report</a> indicates that employee contributions to health care have increased.  The systematic pattern from 2009 is shown in the following graph:<br />
<br />
<img style="max-width: 624px;" src="http://www.gold-speculator.com/attachments/john-lounsbury/11864d1283788399-small-businesses-not-optimistic-healthcare-cost-reason-98115-128353270365285-john-lounsbury_origin.png" border="0" alt="" /><br />
<br />
The first statistically significant change year-to-year has occurred in 2010.  I view the increasing employee contribution as a positive.  It is one step of many that need to be made to transfer cost control for medical care to the patient, which I have been arguing is necessary to achieve a bending of the health care cost curve downward.  See <a href="http://www.thestreet.com/story/10560860/1/patient-needs-larger-role-in-health-care.html" target="_blank">here</a>, <a href="http://seekingalpha.com/article/156948-healthcare-debate-dominated-by-shouting-and-lobbies" target="_blank">here</a> and <a href="http://seekingalpha.com/instablog/98115-john-lounsbury/38985-let-the-public-see-what-they-pay-for-health-care" target="_blank">here.</a><br />
<br />
What is significant, as regards the title question, is that health care costs for employers are actually little changed in 2010.  According to the Kaiser <a href="http://ehbs.kff.org/" target="_blank">report</a>, approximately half (47%) of the coverage is for single workers.  In 2010, health care coverage costs are increasing approximately $408 per family, while employee contributions have increased approximately $528 per family.  The numbers are reversed for single employees, with costs increasing by $264 per employee and employee contributions increasing by an average of $144.  Total employer costs for health care are actually slightly down because 47% of employees (single coverage) cost employers an average of $120 a year more per employee while 53% of employees cost an average of $120 a year less.<br />
<br />
In 2010, health care costs for businesses, on average, are actually flat to down on a per employee basis. Growing health care costs are not the reason that small businesses are pessimistic.<br />
<br />
<b>Disclosure: </b>No stocks mentioned.<br />
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			<title>Unofficial Problem Bank List Reaches 844</title>
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			<pubDate>Mon, 06 Sep 2010 15:50:54 GMT</pubDate>
			<description><![CDATA[Calculated Risk (http://www.calculatedriskblog.com/2010/09/unofficial-problem-bank-list-increases.html?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+CalculatedRisk+%28Calculated+Risk%29)  maintains an unofficial problem bank list compiled from publicly  available records.  The latest list contains 844 names with a total of  $412 billion in assets.  The FDIC announced this week that they have (as  of June 30) an official count of problem institutions at 829 with  assets of $403 billion.  The FDIC just releases a count quarterly, but  no names.

The Calculated Risk list has tracked the FDIC count reasonably well over the past year (click to enlarge images): 

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The  trend line tightly matches the data since last August, with a slope of  +33 banks/month.  Although no curve has been drawn for the FDIC data  points, it is easy to see that there possibly is a slight concave  curvature (downward) to that data.  One might infer that the rate of  problem bank counting by the FDIC might be slowing ever so slightly.   Such a slowing of problem bank creation is not evident in the Calculated Risk data.

There  is a clear indication that more smaller banks are coming onto the  problem bank list than are leaving.  Banks leave either by resolution of  deficiency or failure, overwhelmingly the latter in the past three  years.  On August 7, 2009 there were 389 banks with assets totaling $276  billion on the unofficial problem bank list.  Thirteen months later,  the number of banks is 2.2 times larger, but the total of assets is only  1.5 times as large.  The average assets per problem list bank in August  2009 was $720 million; now the number is $490 million per bank.

So  far in this crisis, the FDIC has closed 286 banks.  At the current rate  of closures, another 80 may be closed by the end of the year and the  problem bank list may reach 1,000.  That would put over 1,360 banks in  trouble or already closed at the end of 2010.  That is getting closer to  the number of troubled banks estimated (http://www.thestreet.com/story/10589081/1/banking-crisis-dwarfs-depression.html) at close to 1,900 by banking analyst Chris Whalen over a year ago, but is still far short of the nearly 3,000 troubled banks estimated (http://seekingalpha.com/article/189165-report-from-elizabeth-warren-up-to-3-000-banks-in-trouble) by Elizabeth Warren's Congressional Oversight Panel in February this year.

If  the analysis done by the references given is accurate, the 286 banks  closed thus far in this crisis is not only far short of the total  failures to be expected.  The number 286 is probably far short of half  of the bank failures we will see. 

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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<div><a href="http://www.calculatedriskblog.com/2010/09/unofficial-problem-bank-list-increases.html?utm_source=feedburner&amp;utm_medium=email&amp;utm_campaign=Feed%3A+CalculatedRisk+%28Calculated+Risk%29" target="_blank">C<i>alculated Risk</i></a>  maintains an unofficial problem bank list compiled from publicly  available records.  The latest list contains 844 names with a total of  $412 billion in assets.  The FDIC announced this week that they have (as  of June 30) an official count of problem institutions at 829 with  assets of $403 billion.  The FDIC just releases a count quarterly, but  no names.<br />
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The <i>Calculated Risk</i> list has tracked the FDIC count reasonably well over the past year (click to enlarge images): <br />
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The  trend line tightly matches the data since last August, with a slope of  +33 banks/month.  Although no curve has been drawn for the FDIC data  points, it is easy to see that there possibly is a slight concave  curvature (downward) to that data.  One might infer that the rate of  problem bank counting by the FDIC might be slowing ever so slightly.   Such a slowing of problem bank creation is not evident in the <i>Calculated Risk</i> data.<br />
<br />
There  is a clear indication that more smaller banks are coming onto the  problem bank list than are leaving.  Banks leave either by resolution of  deficiency or failure, overwhelmingly the latter in the past three  years.  On August 7, 2009 there were 389 banks with assets totaling $276  billion on the unofficial problem bank list.  Thirteen months later,  the number of banks is 2.2 times larger, but the total of assets is only  1.5 times as large.  The average assets per problem list bank in August  2009 was $720 million; now the number is $490 million per bank.<br />
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So  far in this crisis, the FDIC has closed 286 banks.  At the current rate  of closures, another 80 may be closed by the end of the year and the  problem bank list may reach 1,000.  That would put over 1,360 banks in  trouble or already closed at the end of 2010.  That is getting closer to  the number of troubled banks <a href="http://www.thestreet.com/story/10589081/1/banking-crisis-dwarfs-depression.html" target="_blank">estimated</a> at close to 1,900 by banking analyst Chris Whalen over a year ago, but is still far short of the nearly 3,000 troubled banks <a href="http://seekingalpha.com/article/189165-report-from-elizabeth-warren-up-to-3-000-banks-in-trouble" target="_blank">estimated</a> by Elizabeth Warren's Congressional Oversight Panel in February this year.<br />
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If  the analysis done by the references given is accurate, the 286 banks  closed thus far in this crisis is not only far short of the total  failures to be expected.  The number 286 is probably far short of half  of the bank failures we will see. <br />
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			<title>Do Dividend Yields Indicate That Stocks Are Undervalued?</title>
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			<pubDate>Wed, 01 Sep 2010 16:14:22 GMT</pubDate>
			<description><![CDATA[I reported earlier (http://seekingalpha.com/instablog/98115-john-lounsbury/90728-dividends-cut-first-ask-questions-later) on a post by the 5-Min. Forecast (http://5minforecast.agorafinancial.com/the-great-search-for-yield/)  that discussed the possibility that stocks are undervalued based on the  relationship between the 10-year Treasury bond yield, which was been  bouncing around 2.5% yesterday, and the dividend yield on the S&P  500, currently around 2.3%.

 The stock dividend yield is about 92%  of the bond yield.  The historical average is 42%.  To return to the  historical average for today's interest rate, the S&P 500 would have  to rise to the neighborhood of 2,200, about a mile above the all time  high of 1,565 on October 9, 2007.

 To return to the historical  average at today's stock prices, the 10-year Treasury yield would have  to rise to above 5%, a yield last seen nine years ago.

 The  following graph shows the relationships between interest rates,  dividends and S&P 500 index value for a range of values with the  stock dividend/bond yield ratio of 42%:

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 With  the historic dividend to treasury yield ratio, the current S&P 500  index value corresponds to dividends of about $10.  Something is  seriously out of whack.

 What is going on here is that investors  are pricing the S&P 500 as if there were not going to be further  earnings and dividend growth.  Campbell, Giglio and Polk have done a detailed multivariant analysis (http://econintersect.com/wordpress/?p=207)  that shows investors did not react to the latest bear market in stocks  as they had to previous downturns.  This time investors did not reflect  an expectation for stocks to recover.  Prices have not reflected  historical relationships to bonds.  The discount to the "risk free"  earnings rate has nearly vanished as the 10-year Treasury yield and the  S&P 500 dividend yield approach the same value.

 The following  table shows what valuations are indicated for the S&P 500 for three  ratios of dividends to treasury yields (the current 92%, the historic  average of 42% and halfway in between) and for three values of 10-year  Treasury yield.

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 The wide range of results reveals that there is no easy answer to the  title question.  If interest rates rise and investor outlook is for  little earnings and dividend growth, stocks may well be overvalued.  If  interest rates remain low and investor expectations for dividend growth  return only part way to the historic average, stocks are undervalued.   If interest rates remain low and investor expectations return to  historical norms, then stocks are dramatically undervalued.

 *Disclosure: *Long several S&P 500 stocks.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<div>I reported <a href="http://seekingalpha.com/instablog/98115-john-lounsbury/90728-dividends-cut-first-ask-questions-later" target="_blank">earlier</a> on a post by the <a href="http://5minforecast.agorafinancial.com/the-great-search-for-yield/" target="_blank"><i>5-Min. Forecast</i></a>  that discussed the possibility that stocks are undervalued based on the  relationship between the 10-year Treasury bond yield, which was been  bouncing around 2.5% yesterday, and the dividend yield on the S&amp;P  500, currently around 2.3%.<br />
<br />
 The stock dividend yield is about 92%  of the bond yield.  The historical average is 42%.  To return to the  historical average for today's interest rate, the S&amp;P 500 would have  to rise to the neighborhood of 2,200, about a mile above the all time  high of 1,565 on October 9, 2007.<br />
<br />
 To return to the historical  average at today's stock prices, the 10-year Treasury yield would have  to rise to above 5%, a yield last seen nine years ago.<br />
<br />
 The  following graph shows the relationships between interest rates,  dividends and S&amp;P 500 index value for a range of values with the  stock dividend/bond yield ratio of 42%:<br />
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<img style="max-width: 624px;" src="http://www.gold-speculator.com/attachments/john-lounsbury/11713d1283357658-do-dividend-yields-indicate-stocks-undervalued-98115-128331309509581-john-lounsbury_origin.png" border="0" alt="" /><br />
<br />
 With  the historic dividend to treasury yield ratio, the current S&amp;P 500  index value corresponds to dividends of about $10.  Something is  seriously out of whack.<br />
<br />
 What is going on here is that investors  are pricing the S&amp;P 500 as if there were not going to be further  earnings and dividend growth.  Campbell, Giglio and Polk have done a <a href="http://econintersect.com/wordpress/?p=207" target="_blank">detailed multivariant analysis</a>  that shows investors did not react to the latest bear market in stocks  as they had to previous downturns.  This time investors did not reflect  an expectation for stocks to recover.  Prices have not reflected  historical relationships to bonds.  The discount to the "risk free"  earnings rate has nearly vanished as the 10-year Treasury yield and the  S&amp;P 500 dividend yield approach the same value.<br />
<br />
 The following  table shows what valuations are indicated for the S&amp;P 500 for three  ratios of dividends to treasury yields (the current 92%, the historic  average of 42% and halfway in between) and for three values of 10-year  Treasury yield.<br />
<br />
 <img style="max-width: 624px;" src="http://www.gold-speculator.com/attachments/john-lounsbury/11714d1283357658-do-dividend-yields-indicate-stocks-undervalued-98115-128331685390973-john-lounsbury.png" border="0" alt="" /><br />
<br />
 The wide range of results reveals that there is no easy answer to the  title question.  If interest rates rise and investor outlook is for  little earnings and dividend growth, stocks may well be overvalued.  If  interest rates remain low and investor expectations for dividend growth  return only part way to the historic average, stocks are undervalued.   If interest rates remain low and investor expectations return to  historical norms, then stocks are dramatically undervalued.<br />
<br />
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			<pubDate>Thu, 19 Aug 2010 19:32:29 GMT</pubDate>
			<description><![CDATA[In a previous article (http://seekingalpha.com/article/221030-my-afternoon-at-the-treasury)   reviewing my attendance at a small discussion group meeting with  Treasury Secretary Geithner and other senior Treasury Officials, I left  out one very important topic that was covered.  I also failed to  effectively summarize my overall impressions. First, let&#8217;s cover the  omitted topic.

*Housing*  

Treasury  officials several times emphasized that they recognize there are still  many more potential foreclosures to come. I conclude that they are not  delusional about the magnitude of the remaining tenure of the housing  bubble and its aftermath. I took the occasion to try to explore  Treasury&#8217;s thinking. One thing Treasury folks mentioned was a  responsibility to support efforts to ensure that citizens can get  adequate housing. I found that very curious but let it pass because I  had a larger objective, which I was able to get to shortly thereafter.  But, before getting there, let me just say that I think a more  appropriate statement would have been that policy should *not interfere* with citizens&#8217; ability to get satisfactory housing rather than *support* those activities. Semantics? Perhaps. But, to me the distinction is important.

The  important point that we eventually reached involved the underlying  strategy of HAMP and other foreclosure prevention programs implemented  by the Federal government. The Treasury statements indicate they clearly  had an objective of spreading the time line for foreclosure over a  longer time frame than would have otherwise occurred. I offered a  paraphrased summary statement to find if I had understood policy  correctly. There is no transcript but it I offered something like this:Policy  was directed at deferring what might have been 5 million (an arbitrary  number for discussion purposes) foreclosure completions in 12-18 months  to 5 million foreclosures over 36 or 42 or 48 or 54 months. This was  done to lessen the economic shock of massive action. Do I have the  essence of the policy?

The response was something like: and also avoid some foreclosures that would otherwise have occurred.
My reply:Then  add to my previous statement that policy possibly reduces the number of  foreclosures ultimately experienced by 5 or 10%, if successful. In  other words, 5 million foreclosures might be reduced to 4.5 million or  10 million foreclosures might be reduced to 9 million, if the  foreclosure prevention programs achieved a high level of success.

I  think there was affirmative response, but I admit there was not an aha!  moment. At least I am confident that my summary was not contradicted,  so I will continue to feel I understand policy.

*Summary*

The  housing discussion crystallized again for me the overall policy  direction that started with the previous administration and has  continued with the current one. I have joined many others in using the  term &#8220;kick the can down the road&#8221;. That is in fact the formal policy. It  is nowhere written in bright lights, but that is the fundamental basis  of policy.

With housing, the policy has been to  diffuse a foreclosure problem over a longer time frame to reduce  economic shock. With finance, the policy has been to create a &#8220;workout&#8221;  time line for large banks to &#8220;earn&#8221; their way out of balance sheet  problems.

The problem with this approach is, of  course, that the Federal deficit basically funds the &#8220;earnings&#8221; of the  banks. The FED provides new money that the banks can borrow at near 0%  and the banks then buy Treasuries that pay higher interest rates. The  &#8220;earnings&#8221; that the banks get from this &#8220;carry trade&#8221; process is  achieved by the further indebtedness of the citizenry through the  increased national debt.

This is not a growth policy.  Treasury guys stated that the long term potential for the economy might  be near 2.5% real growth, but that we are experiencing (going to  experience?) a post stimulus slow down. Treasury does not appear to be  delusional about the sluggish growth prospects for the economy. The  question of a recessionary double dip was not broached, but I don&#8217;t  think any opportunity was lost &#8211; Treasury would not have ventured into  that realm had we attempted it, in my opinion.

Extend  and pretend is official policy from what I can gather from this  experience at Treasury. Pretending may not be fatal if fantasy does not  become permanent. However, there is an opportunity cost. Either Prof.  Cowen or Prof. Tabarrok (or both) raised the question of why leverage  for restructuring of the financial system had not been exercised when  the crisis peaked. I did not hear an answer. The answer perhaps resides  with the timing &#8211; the end of one administration and the start of a new  one. We will never know if more structural reform might have occurred if  the crisis had come a year earlier or a year later. I am skeptical that  would have made a significant difference, but we will never know.  

For an excellent discussion of what might have been, read Barry Ritholtz&#8217;s excellent article (http://www.ritholtz.com/blog/2010/08/bailout-counter-factual/).  But if we now concentrate on what should be done from now on we must  limit compulsive obsession with &#8220;coulda, woulda, shoulda&#8221; and focus  forward. We must learn from history but not be preoccupied by it.
Going  forward we need to &#8220;wean the sucklings from the federal teat&#8221;. I am not  in the camp that wants to do that abruptly, but I am also not in the  camp that wants the Bailout Nation, documented so well by Ritholtz in  his excellent book of the same title, to be continued. It is time to  spend less effort bailing and more effort repairing the boat.

When we recognize the size of this financial crisis, it is amazing that we have not suffered more. As I wrote last year (here (http://www.thestreet.com/story/10589081/1/banking-crisis-dwarfs-depression.html) and here (http://seekingalpha.com/article/158088-comparing-today-s-bank-crisis-to-the-past)),  even when we adjust for inflation and normalize to population, this  crisis is orders of magnitude larger than anything else in the past in  financial terms, including the Great Depression. As much as we criticize  actions taken, there are lots of worse conditions we could be in right  now. The size of the financial system catastrophe is of historic  proportions and we are still alive. 

To anyone  reading this who feels there should not be all the pain we have and will  have, I submit that there is no painless way forward. What we can all  strive for is a result that makes the pain ultimately worth it.

And that is about as optimistic as I can get at this point.

There have been no additional posts on this meeting to date other than Alex Tabarrok (http://www.marginalrevolution.com/), which I posted with yesterday&#8217;s article (http://seekingalpha.com/article/221030-my-afternoon-at-the-treasury).

*Disclosure: *No stocks mentioned.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<div>In a previous <a href="http://seekingalpha.com/article/221030-my-afternoon-at-the-treasury" target="_blank">article</a>   reviewing my attendance at a small discussion group meeting with  Treasury Secretary Geithner and other senior Treasury Officials, I left  out one very important topic that was covered.  I also failed to  effectively summarize my overall impressions. First, let&#8217;s cover the  omitted topic.<br />
<br />
<b>Housing</b>  <br />
<br />
Treasury  officials several times emphasized that they recognize there are still  many more potential foreclosures to come. I conclude that they are not  delusional about the magnitude of the remaining tenure of the housing  bubble and its aftermath. I took the occasion to try to explore  Treasury&#8217;s thinking. One thing Treasury folks mentioned was a  responsibility to support efforts to ensure that citizens can get  adequate housing. I found that very curious but let it pass because I  had a larger objective, which I was able to get to shortly thereafter.  But, before getting there, let me just say that I think a more  appropriate statement would have been that policy should <b>not interfere</b> with citizens&#8217; ability to get satisfactory housing rather than <b>support</b> those activities. Semantics? Perhaps. But, to me the distinction is important.<br />
<br />
The  important point that we eventually reached involved the underlying  strategy of HAMP and other foreclosure prevention programs implemented  by the Federal government. The Treasury statements indicate they clearly  had an objective of spreading the time line for foreclosure over a  longer time frame than would have otherwise occurred. I offered a  paraphrased summary statement to find if I had understood policy  correctly. There is no transcript but it I offered something like this:<blockquote><i>Policy  was directed at deferring what might have been 5 million (an arbitrary  number for discussion purposes) foreclosure completions in 12-18 months  to 5 million foreclosures over 36 or 42 or 48 or 54 months. This was  done to lessen the economic shock of massive action. Do I have the  essence of the policy?</i><br />
</blockquote>The response was something like: <i>and also avoid some foreclosures that would otherwise have occurred</i>.<br />
My reply:<blockquote><i>Then  add to my previous statement that policy possibly reduces the number of  foreclosures ultimately experienced by 5 or 10%, if successful. In  other words, 5 million foreclosures might be reduced to 4.5 million or  10 million foreclosures might be reduced to 9 million, if the  foreclosure prevention programs achieved a high level of success.</i><br />
</blockquote>I  think there was affirmative response, but I admit there was not an aha!  moment. At least I am confident that my summary was not contradicted,  so I will continue to feel I understand policy.<br />
<br />
<b>Summary</b><br />
<br />
The  housing discussion crystallized again for me the overall policy  direction that started with the previous administration and has  continued with the current one. I have joined many others in using the  term &#8220;kick the can down the road&#8221;. That is in fact the formal policy. It  is nowhere written in bright lights, but that is the fundamental basis  of policy.<br />
<br />
With housing, the policy has been to  diffuse a foreclosure problem over a longer time frame to reduce  economic shock. With finance, the policy has been to create a &#8220;workout&#8221;  time line for large banks to &#8220;earn&#8221; their way out of balance sheet  problems.<br />
<br />
The problem with this approach is, of  course, that the Federal deficit basically funds the &#8220;earnings&#8221; of the  banks. The FED provides new money that the banks can borrow at near 0%  and the banks then buy Treasuries that pay higher interest rates. The  &#8220;earnings&#8221; that the banks get from this &#8220;carry trade&#8221; process is  achieved by the further indebtedness of the citizenry through the  increased national debt.<br />
<br />
This is not a growth policy.  Treasury guys stated that the long term potential for the economy might  be near 2.5% real growth, but that we are experiencing (going to  experience?) a post stimulus slow down. Treasury does not appear to be  delusional about the sluggish growth prospects for the economy. The  question of a recessionary double dip was not broached, but I don&#8217;t  think any opportunity was lost &#8211; Treasury would not have ventured into  that realm had we attempted it, in my opinion.<br />
<br />
Extend  and pretend is official policy from what I can gather from this  experience at Treasury. Pretending may not be fatal if fantasy does not  become permanent. However, there is an opportunity cost. Either Prof.  Cowen or Prof. Tabarrok (or both) raised the question of why leverage  for restructuring of the financial system had not been exercised when  the crisis peaked. I did not hear an answer. The answer perhaps resides  with the timing &#8211; the end of one administration and the start of a new  one. We will never know if more structural reform might have occurred if  the crisis had come a year earlier or a year later. I am skeptical that  would have made a significant difference, but we will never know.  <br />
<br />
For an excellent discussion of what might have been, read Barry Ritholtz&#8217;s excellent <a href="http://www.ritholtz.com/blog/2010/08/bailout-counter-factual/" target="_blank">article</a>.  But if we now concentrate on what should be done from now on we must  limit compulsive obsession with &#8220;coulda, woulda, shoulda&#8221; and focus  forward. We must learn from history but not be preoccupied by it.<br />
Going  forward we need to &#8220;wean the sucklings from the federal teat&#8221;. I am not  in the camp that wants to do that abruptly, but I am also not in the  camp that wants the Bailout Nation, documented so well by Ritholtz in  his excellent book of the same title, to be continued. It is time to  spend less effort bailing and more effort repairing the boat.<br />
<br />
When we recognize the size of this financial crisis, it is amazing that we have not suffered more. As I wrote last year (<a href="http://www.thestreet.com/story/10589081/1/banking-crisis-dwarfs-depression.html" target="_blank">here</a> and <a href="http://seekingalpha.com/article/158088-comparing-today-s-bank-crisis-to-the-past" target="_blank">here</a>),  even when we adjust for inflation and normalize to population, this  crisis is orders of magnitude larger than anything else in the past in  financial terms, including the Great Depression. As much as we criticize  actions taken, there are lots of worse conditions we could be in right  now. The size of the financial system catastrophe is of historic  proportions and we are still alive. <br />
<br />
To anyone  reading this who feels there should not be all the pain we have and will  have, I submit that there is no painless way forward. What we can all  strive for is a result that makes the pain ultimately worth it.<br />
<br />
And that is about as optimistic as I can get at this point.<br />
<br />
There have been no additional posts on this meeting to date other than <a href="http://www.marginalrevolution.com/" target="_blank">Alex Tabarrok</a>, which I posted with yesterday&#8217;s <a href="http://seekingalpha.com/article/221030-my-afternoon-at-the-treasury" target="_blank">article</a>.<br />
<br />
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			<title>My Afternoon at the Treasury</title>
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			<pubDate>Wed, 18 Aug 2010 16:55:39 GMT</pubDate>
			<description><![CDATA[I was privileged to attend a meeting at the Treasury  Department in Washington on Monday afternoon, August 16.  The two hour  plus meeting was hosted by Senior Treasury Officials.  There were three  discussion leaders:

Michael Barr, Assistant Secretary for Financial Institutions, led the first 45 minutes;

Matthew Kabaker, Deputy Assistant Secretary for Capital Markets, next 45 minutes;

Secretary Timothy Geithner led the final 45 minutes of discussion, which actually went overtime from the scheduled 30 minutes.

Other senior officials present:

Mary John Miller, Assistant Secretary for Financial Markets;
Jake Siewart, Counselor to the Secretary;
Lewis Alexander, Counselor to the Secretary.

There were seven guests.  In addition to yours truly, they were (alphabetical order):


* Tyler Cowen,  Holbert C. Harris Professor of Economics at George Mason Univ. (Vita (http://www.gmu.edu/centers/publicchoice/faculty%20pages/Tyler/2009tylervita.pdf))  and a contributor to The New York Times and Slate, as well as co-author of Marginal Revolution (http://www.marginalrevolution.com/marginalrevolution/economics/) blog.
* Philip Davis, a top ranked Seeking Alpha contributor (http://seekingalpha.com/author/philip-davis) and publisher of Phil&#8217;s Stock World (http://www.philstockworld.com/).
* Michael Konczal, Roosevelt Institute (http://www.rooseveltinstitute.org/) Fellow, Rortybomb (http://rortybomb.wordpress.com/) blog author and Seeking Alpha contributor (http://seekingalpha.com/author/rortybomb).
* Yves Smith, who publishes the widely followed Naked Capitalism (http://www.nakedcapitalism.com/2007/08/more-on-global-alpha-quant-woes.html#Archives) blog.
* Alex Tabarrok, Bartley J. Madden Professor of Economics at George Mason Univ. (Vita (http://mason.gmu.edu/%7Eatabarro/TabarrokCV.pdf)) and co-author of Marginal Revolution (http://www.marginalrevolution.com/marginalrevolution/economics/) blog.
* Steve Waldman, Interfluidity (http://www.interfluidity.com/) blog author and Seeking Alpha contributor (http://seekingalpha.com/author/steve-waldman?source=search_general&s=steve-waldman).

The  Treasury Department has established a program inviting various  financial bloggers to have open discussion meetings with senior Treasury  officials 4-6 times a year. Meetings are designed to be small,  informal, unscripted and open to all relevant (even peripheral)  thoughts, ideas and questions from the invited guests. The meeting I  attended was held in the Treasury Secretary's conference room with  seating around a table that could hold a maximum of 22-24 participants.

My  comments are based on very cryptic notes I took during the meeting and  will be subject to revision or expansion by what other attendees have to  say. Links to posts by other attendees will be appended at the end of  this article. If other posts occur after this article is submitted I  will provide links in a later post.

It was agreed  that no attributed quotes were to be disseminated without obtaining  specific review and clearance from the Treasury Department. This  resulted in an exchange which was far different from a typical interview  or press conference session. It was more like a brainstorming session  and ideas were flying around the room in a very stimulating way.

A  number of guests raised confrontational topics and some defensiveness  by Treasury officials did occur, but my impression was that  defensiveness was limited and open exchange occurred when questions that  would have been deflected in a press conference setting received much  more consideration in this forum.
 
*FinReg*

Treasury  seems to be very enthusiastic about the new FinReg (Dodd-Frank  Financial Reform Bill) recently passed into law. It is clear that they  see the GSEs (government sponsored enterprises) as the next reform  effort required. 
Officials defended the proposition that progress had  been made to avoid a similar course of events experienced in the 2008  financial crisis because the Treasury now has the legal authority to  unwind an insolvent super bank in a manner somewhat similar to the FDIC  process for smaller banks.

What remains in question with this analyst is: After the authority, where is the process?

*Too Big To Fail*

What  I suggested as a problem for the administration is that they have not  addressed the problem that TBTF (too big to fail) institutions still  exist. I said there was no confidence that there was a plan to end the  problem.  I was referred to a speech (http://www.ustreas.gov/press/releases/tg822.htm) by Michael Barr in Chicago on August 10. From that speech:We  will--once and for all--fully end the market's perception of  "too-big-to-fail" firms, when we build a system that is capable of  absorbing the failure of the next AIG or Lehman Brothers; a system that  constrains risk-taking by major financial firms, strengthens the basic  shock absorbers and transparency in the financial system, and provides  the government with credible tools to manage effectively the failure of  major financial firms while at the same time safeguarding the broader  economy.

To fully end "too-big-to-fail" we need to make our  financial system safer for failure. We cannot rely on the hope of  perfect foresight--whether by regulators, or by managers of firms,  private sector gatekeepers, or other market participants.  Financial  activity involves risk, and no one will be able to identify all risks or  prevent all future crises.

However, robust capital, leverage, and  liquidity requirements can prevent the build-up of risk, ex ante, and  insulate the system from unexpected shock events, ex post.  Imposing  higher prudential standards on the largest, most interconnected firms  will require them to internalize the risks they impose on the system by  virtue of their size and complexity. The largest and most interconnected  firms cause more damage to the system when they fail, so they need to  hold more capital against risk.  That is based on a principle of  fairness and also of economic efficiency. It internalizes their costs of  failure and provides incentives for firms to limit their size and  reduce their leverage.


In  reading this speech I found that some of the comments in discussion by  Treasury officials on the 16th were very similar in wording to the text  of the speech on the 10th. So I guess the discussion was not entirely  unscripted. I make that as a simple observation and not to be snide.
 
The  intent appears to make capital requirements and regulation for  &#8220;super-sized&#8221; banks more demanding than for smaller banks in order to  make size a detriment to flexibility of operation and profitability. I  believe it was Yves Smith who pointed out that multiple studies have  found that efficiency and profitability of banks declines beyond a size  much smaller than our largest banks and that has not stopped them from  becoming behemoths.

Phil Davis raised the  question of bogus bank accounting standards and the general sense of the  response was that FinReg will enable the enforcement of higher capital  standards. This led to Prof. Tabarrok asking just how would &#8220;AAA&#8221; be  determined. If there was a clear answer I missed it. (I told you my  notes were sketchy.)     
 
The sense I  took away from this part of the discussion was that much depends on  (potentially hundreds of) studies authorized by FinReg. The Treasury is  charged with forming an Office of Financial Research to conduct research  to guide future regulation implementation. This really translates to me  that we are still in the process of conducting a Grand Experiment (http://seekingalpha.com/article/110736-our-economic-crisis-the-grand-experiment).
 
*Compensation
*
There  was some discussion of how compensation plans can distort corporate  actions. I threw out the idea that the problem was that our systems,  especially in finance and health care, are too heavily focused on pay  for transactions rather than pay for outcomes. I didn&#8217;t have the  presence of mind to bring instant gratification into the discussion, but  that would have certainly made my thought process clearer.

This  topic brought a comment from Yves Smith that the highly profitable  trading activities that create large, quick rewards would be difficult  to wind down for the banks that have become addicted to the &#8220;fast buck&#8221;  (my terminology, not Yves&#8217;). The sense I got from Treasury was that they  feel trading activities would be wound down over time.

Late  in the session I threw a question on the table about how tax policy  could influence compensation. If taxation of capital was decreased and  on income or consumption was increased could the ratio between  production and consumption components of GDP be brought more in balance?  That hot potato pretty much stayed on the table without significant  discussion.
 
*Solvency and Profitability for Banks
*
  In one brief exchange an interesting thought emerged. The fact that  bank stocks are trading at or below book value seems to be in conflict  with the fact that banks are having little trouble in selling bonds. The  thought was expressed that the bond market is looking at solvency and  the stock market is looking at future profitability. Markets now are  telling us that investors are not worried about insolvency but do have  questions about profits in coming years.

I  have thought about this after the meeting and wish I had asked the  question if there is still some backstop mentality in the bond market &#8211;  the government will not let these banks fail. That thought relates back  to an earlier point in the session where criticism was raised of the  protection of bond holders at the expense of stock holders in the  financial crisis.
 
*GSEs
*
Perhaps  the term GSE (government sponsored enterprises) should be changed to  GOEs (&#8220;owned&#8221; substituted for &#8220;sponsored&#8221;), but that was not mentioned  in the meeting. Treasury officials gave the impression that, although  this is the next big financial reform effort, studies are needed to  start defining the end game. This gets us back to the Office of  Financial Research. I got the impression that the process to be started  might be termed &#8220;search and discovery&#8221;.
 
Other  factors related to this &#8220;end game&#8221; for Fannie and Freddie include how  much government footprint should remain in the mortgage market, how will  external factors (such as the new Basel agreements) affect resolution,  and how will regulation of banking and non-banking mortgage markets, as  well as consumer protection, be coordinated.

I  was too busy enjoying the discussions to take better notes. I hope that  other attendees will cover many aspects of the discussion that I missed  and clarify things that I may have reported improperly or incompletely.  This was a very worthwhile experience for me. I went to the meeting not  really knowing what to expect. The quality and openness of the  discussion was far beyond anything that I had imagined going in.

*Other posts on this meeting:*
Only one so far: Alex Tabarrok (http://www.marginalrevolution.com/marginalrevolution/economics/)

*Disclosure: *No stocks mentioned.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<div>I was privileged to attend a meeting at the Treasury  Department in Washington on Monday afternoon, August 16.  The two hour  plus meeting was hosted by Senior Treasury Officials.  There were three  discussion leaders:<br />
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Michael Barr, Assistant Secretary for Financial Institutions, led the first 45 minutes;<br />
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Matthew Kabaker, Deputy Assistant Secretary for Capital Markets, next 45 minutes;<br />
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Secretary Timothy Geithner led the final 45 minutes of discussion, which actually went overtime from the scheduled 30 minutes.<br />
<br />
Other senior officials present:<br />
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Mary John Miller, Assistant Secretary for Financial Markets;<br />
Jake Siewart, Counselor to the Secretary;<br />
Lewis Alexander, Counselor to the Secretary.<br />
<br />
There were seven guests.  In addition to yours truly, they were (alphabetical order):<br />
<br />
<ul><li>Tyler Cowen,  Holbert C. Harris Professor of Economics at George Mason Univ. (<a href="http://www.gmu.edu/centers/publicchoice/faculty%20pages/Tyler/2009tylervita.pdf" target="_blank">Vita</a>)  and a contributor to <i>The New York Times</i><i> and Slate</i><i>, as well as co-author of </i><a href="http://www.marginalrevolution.com/marginalrevolution/economics/" target="_blank"><i>Marginal Revolution</i></a><i> blog.</i></li>
<li>Philip Davis, a top ranked <i>Seeking Alpha </i><a href="http://seekingalpha.com/author/philip-davis" target="_blank">contributor</a> and publisher of <a href="http://www.philstockworld.com/" target="_blank"><i>Phil&#8217;s Stock World</i></a>.</li>
<li>Michael Konczal, <a href="http://www.rooseveltinstitute.org/" target="_blank">Roosevelt Institute</a> Fellow, <a href="http://rortybomb.wordpress.com/" target="_blank"><i>Rortybomb</i></a><i> blog author </i>and <i>Seeking Alpha </i><a href="http://seekingalpha.com/author/rortybomb" target="_blank">contributor</a>.</li>
<li>Yves Smith, who publishes the widely followed <a href="http://www.nakedcapitalism.com/2007/08/more-on-global-alpha-quant-woes.html#Archives" target="_blank"><i>Naked Capitalism</i></a> blog.</li>
<li>Alex Tabarrok, Bartley J. Madden Professor of Economics at George Mason Univ. (<a href="http://mason.gmu.edu/%7Eatabarro/TabarrokCV.pdf" target="_blank">Vita</a>) and co-author of <a href="http://www.marginalrevolution.com/marginalrevolution/economics/" target="_blank"><i>Marginal Revolution</i></a><i> blog.</i></li>
<li>Steve Waldman, <a href="http://www.interfluidity.com/" target="_blank"><i>Interfluidity</i></a> blog author and <i>Seeking Alpha</i> <a href="http://seekingalpha.com/author/steve-waldman?source=search_general&amp;s=steve-waldman" target="_blank">contributor</a>.</li>
</ul>The  Treasury Department has established a program inviting various  financial bloggers to have open discussion meetings with senior Treasury  officials 4-6 times a year. Meetings are designed to be small,  informal, unscripted and open to all relevant (even peripheral)  thoughts, ideas and questions from the invited guests. The meeting I  attended was held in the Treasury Secretary's conference room with  seating around a table that could hold a maximum of 22-24 participants.<br />
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My  comments are based on very cryptic notes I took during the meeting and  will be subject to revision or expansion by what other attendees have to  say. Links to posts by other attendees will be appended at the end of  this article. If other posts occur after this article is submitted I  will provide links in a later post.<br />
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It was agreed  that no attributed quotes were to be disseminated without obtaining  specific review and clearance from the Treasury Department. This  resulted in an exchange which was far different from a typical interview  or press conference session. It was more like a brainstorming session  and ideas were flying around the room in a very stimulating way.<br />
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A  number of guests raised confrontational topics and some defensiveness  by Treasury officials did occur, but my impression was that  defensiveness was limited and open exchange occurred when questions that  would have been deflected in a press conference setting received much  more consideration in this forum.<br />
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<b>FinReg</b><br />
<br />
Treasury  seems to be very enthusiastic about the new FinReg (Dodd-Frank  Financial Reform Bill) recently passed into law. It is clear that they  see the GSEs (government sponsored enterprises) as the next reform  effort required. <br />
Officials defended the proposition that progress had  been made to avoid a similar course of events experienced in the 2008  financial crisis because the Treasury now has the legal authority to  unwind an insolvent super bank in a manner somewhat similar to the FDIC  process for smaller banks.<br />
<br />
What remains in question with this analyst is: After the authority, where is the process?<br />
<br />
<b>Too Big To Fail</b><br />
<br />
What  I suggested as a problem for the administration is that they have not  addressed the problem that TBTF (too big to fail) institutions still  exist. I said there was no confidence that there was a plan to end the  problem.  I was referred to a <a href="http://www.ustreas.gov/press/releases/tg822.htm" target="_blank">speech</a> by Michael Barr in Chicago on August 10. From that speech:<blockquote><blockquote>We  will--once and for all--fully end the market's perception of  "too-big-to-fail" firms, when we build a system that is capable of  absorbing the failure of the next AIG or Lehman Brothers; a system that  constrains risk-taking by major financial firms, strengthens the basic  shock absorbers and transparency in the financial system, and provides  the government with credible tools to manage effectively the failure of  major financial firms while at the same time safeguarding the broader  economy.<br />
<br />
To fully end "too-big-to-fail" we need to make our  financial system safer for failure. We cannot rely on the hope of  perfect foresight--whether by regulators, or by managers of firms,  private sector gatekeepers, or other market participants.  Financial  activity involves risk, and no one will be able to identify all risks or  prevent all future crises.<br />
<br />
However, robust capital, leverage, and  liquidity requirements can prevent the build-up of risk, ex ante, and  insulate the system from unexpected shock events, ex post.  Imposing  higher prudential standards on the largest, most interconnected firms  will require them to internalize the risks they impose on the system by  virtue of their size and complexity. The largest and most interconnected  firms cause more damage to the system when they fail, so they need to  hold more capital against risk.  That is based on a principle of  fairness and also of economic efficiency. It internalizes their costs of  failure and provides incentives for firms to limit their size and  reduce their leverage.<br />
</blockquote></blockquote>In  reading this speech I found that some of the comments in discussion by  Treasury officials on the 16th were very similar in wording to the text  of the speech on the 10th. So I guess the discussion was not entirely  unscripted. I make that as a simple observation and not to be snide.<br />
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The  intent appears to make capital requirements and regulation for  &#8220;super-sized&#8221; banks more demanding than for smaller banks in order to  make size a detriment to flexibility of operation and profitability. I  believe it was Yves Smith who pointed out that multiple studies have  found that efficiency and profitability of banks declines beyond a size  much smaller than our largest banks and that has not stopped them from  becoming behemoths.<br />
<br />
Phil Davis raised the  question of bogus bank accounting standards and the general sense of the  response was that FinReg will enable the enforcement of higher capital  standards. This led to Prof. Tabarrok asking just how would &#8220;AAA&#8221; be  determined. If there was a clear answer I missed it. (I told you my  notes were sketchy.)     <br />
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The sense I  took away from this part of the discussion was that much depends on  (potentially hundreds of) studies authorized by FinReg. The Treasury is  charged with forming an Office of Financial Research to conduct research  to guide future regulation implementation. This really translates to me  that we are still in the process of conducting a <a href="http://seekingalpha.com/article/110736-our-economic-crisis-the-grand-experiment" target="_blank">Grand Experiment</a>.<br />
 <br />
<b>Compensation<br />
</b><br />
There  was some discussion of how compensation plans can distort corporate  actions. I threw out the idea that the problem was that our systems,  especially in finance and health care, are too heavily focused on pay  for transactions rather than pay for outcomes. I didn&#8217;t have the  presence of mind to bring instant gratification into the discussion, but  that would have certainly made my thought process clearer.<br />
<br />
This  topic brought a comment from Yves Smith that the highly profitable  trading activities that create large, quick rewards would be difficult  to wind down for the banks that have become addicted to the &#8220;fast buck&#8221;  (my terminology, not Yves&#8217;). The sense I got from Treasury was that they  feel trading activities would be wound down over time.<br />
<br />
Late  in the session I threw a question on the table about how tax policy  could influence compensation. If taxation of capital was decreased and  on income or consumption was increased could the ratio between  production and consumption components of GDP be brought more in balance?  That hot potato pretty much stayed on the table without significant  discussion.<br />
 <br />
<b>Solvency and Profitability for Banks<br />
</b><br />
  In one brief exchange an interesting thought emerged. The fact that  bank stocks are trading at or below book value seems to be in conflict  with the fact that banks are having little trouble in selling bonds. The  thought was expressed that the bond market is looking at solvency and  the stock market is looking at future profitability. Markets now are  telling us that investors are not worried about insolvency but do have  questions about profits in coming years.<br />
<br />
I  have thought about this after the meeting and wish I had asked the  question if there is still some backstop mentality in the bond market &#8211;  the government will not let these banks fail. That thought relates back  to an earlier point in the session where criticism was raised of the  protection of bond holders at the expense of stock holders in the  financial crisis.<br />
 <br />
<b>GSEs<br />
</b><br />
Perhaps  the term GSE (government sponsored enterprises) should be changed to  GOEs (&#8220;owned&#8221; substituted for &#8220;sponsored&#8221;), but that was not mentioned  in the meeting. Treasury officials gave the impression that, although  this is the next big financial reform effort, studies are needed to  start defining the end game. This gets us back to the Office of  Financial Research. I got the impression that the process to be started  might be termed &#8220;search and discovery&#8221;.<br />
 <br />
Other  factors related to this &#8220;end game&#8221; for Fannie and Freddie include how  much government footprint should remain in the mortgage market, how will  external factors (such as the new Basel agreements) affect resolution,  and how will regulation of banking and non-banking mortgage markets, as  well as consumer protection, be coordinated.<br />
<br />
I  was too busy enjoying the discussions to take better notes. I hope that  other attendees will cover many aspects of the discussion that I missed  and clarify things that I may have reported improperly or incompletely.  This was a very worthwhile experience for me. I went to the meeting not  really knowing what to expect. The quality and openness of the  discussion was far beyond anything that I had imagined going in.<br />
<br />
<b>Other posts on this meeting:</b><br />
Only one so far: <a href="http://www.marginalrevolution.com/marginalrevolution/economics/" target="_blank">Alex Tabarrok</a><br />
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<b>Disclosure: </b>No stocks mentioned.</div>

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			<title>The End of the Expense Cutting Rope</title>
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			<pubDate>Thu, 12 Aug 2010 16:48:24 GMT</pubDate>
			<description><![CDATA[Three graphs today at the 5-Min. Forecast go a long way toward telling the story of where we are in this economic recovery.

 *Productivity has Rolled Over*

 The first graph shows how productivity growth has been declining for over a year and turned negative in the second quarter.

 Image: http://www.gold-speculator.com/attachments/john-lounsbury/11289d1281631692-end-expense-cutting-rope-98115-128155445481031-john-lounsbury.png 

  U.S.  corporations have cut expenses to the point where more cuts reduce  output.  The end of this rope is when it is discovered that cutting  expenses can improve the bottom line only up to a point.  After that  point further cuts will reduce income more than expenses.  For any other  reality, it would be possible to approach infinite income by cutting  expenses close to zero.

 *Capital Improvement is not Offsetting Lower Employment*

 The  first question that can be raised is that there could be hope for  future productivity gains to return based on capital investment in new  facilities, tools and technology.  The second graph shows that will not  happen.  The annual change in capital stock has gone negative for the  past several quarters.

 Image: http://www.gold-speculator.com/attachments/john-lounsbury/11290d1281631692-end-expense-cutting-rope-98115-128155487626374-john-lounsbury.png 

 The decline in U.S. capital stock has not happened since the Great Depression.  The folks at Agora.com (http://5minforecast.agorafinancial.com/the-great-intervention-part-ii/) say the following:*Capital  stock is the total inflation adjusted value of all &#8220;business equipment&#8221;  in the U.S. That&#8217;s machines, robots, vehicles, tools, software,  computers, pencils, paper&#8230; the whole shebang. For the first time since  World War II, U.S. capital stock is contracting. Meaning, employers are  not reinvesting in their equipment. More machines are left broken or  outdated than are being replaced or upgraded.*
 *Employers  likely underinvested in capital stock during the darkest days of the  credit crisis. But why aren&#8217;t they catching up now? Perhaps worker  productivity is down -- along with capital stock -- because there&#8217;s  simply not enough business to warrant investment&#8230; either in people or  equipment.*
 
The  Agora view  is that we have a decline in demand which is driving the entire pattern  of productivity decline and lowered capital investment.  This is demand  driven deflation.  All the liquidity stimulus in the world fails in the  face of contracting demand.

 *Bond Markets are Confirming the Deflationary Pressure*

 The third graph from the 5-Min. Forecast shows the surge yesterday in the Treasuries market (falling rates).

 *Image: http://www.gold-speculator.com/attachments/john-lounsbury/11291d1281631692-end-expense-cutting-rope-98115-128155540413782-john-lounsbury.png 
 *
 With  the big sell-off in stocks underway today (Wednesday Aug. 11), the  10-year Treasury yield has dropped further to 2.69%.  The bond market is  now at levels not seen since March, 2009, as shown in the following  graph.

Image: http://www.gold-speculator.com/attachments/john-lounsbury/11292d1281631692-end-expense-cutting-rope-98115-128155708741985-john-lounsbury_origin.png 


 The  bond market says we are back at March, 2009 conditions again.  The  stock market says we are much better off.  Both can't be right.  This  divergence was discussed recently here. (http://seekingalpha.com/instablog/98115-john-lounsbury/86215-stocks-and-bonds-are-diverging)

 *End of the Rope?*

 Has  the end of the rope been reached?  Can businesses no longer contract  their way to higher profits?  Who will win the battle of the markets -  stocks or bonds?

 *Disclosure: *Long several S&P 500 stocks. Both long and short positions in several Nasdaq stocks.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<div>Three graphs today at the <i>5-Min. Forecast</i> go a long way toward telling the story of where we are in this economic recovery.<br />
<br />
 <b>Productivity has Rolled Over</b><br />
<br />
 The first graph shows how productivity growth has been declining for over a year and turned negative in the second quarter.<br />
<br />
 <img style="max-width: 624px;" src="http://www.gold-speculator.com/attachments/john-lounsbury/11289d1281631692-end-expense-cutting-rope-98115-128155445481031-john-lounsbury.png" border="0" alt="" /><br />
<br />
  U.S.  corporations have cut expenses to the point where more cuts reduce  output.  The end of this rope is when it is discovered that cutting  expenses can improve the bottom line only up to a point.  After that  point further cuts will reduce income more than expenses.  For any other  reality, it would be possible to approach infinite income by cutting  expenses close to zero.<br />
<br />
 <b>Capital Improvement is not Offsetting Lower Employment</b><br />
<br />
 The  first question that can be raised is that there could be hope for  future productivity gains to return based on capital investment in new  facilities, tools and technology.  The second graph shows that will not  happen.  The annual change in capital stock has gone negative for the  past several quarters.<br />
<br />
 <img style="max-width: 624px;" src="http://www.gold-speculator.com/attachments/john-lounsbury/11290d1281631692-end-expense-cutting-rope-98115-128155487626374-john-lounsbury.png" border="0" alt="" /><br />
<br />
 The decline in U.S. capital stock has not happened since the Great Depression.  The folks at <a href="http://5minforecast.agorafinancial.com/the-great-intervention-part-ii/" target="_blank"><i>Agora.com</i></a> say the following:<blockquote><i><b>Capital  stock is the total inflation adjusted value of all &#8220;business equipment&#8221;  in the U.S. That&#8217;s machines, robots, vehicles, tools, software,  computers, pencils, paper&#8230; the whole shebang. For the first time since  World War II, U.S. capital stock is contracting. Meaning, employers are  not reinvesting in their equipment. More machines are left broken or  outdated than are being replaced or upgraded.</b></i><br />
 <i><b>Employers  likely underinvested in capital stock during the darkest days of the  credit crisis. But why aren&#8217;t they catching up now? Perhaps worker  productivity is down -- along with capital stock -- because there&#8217;s  simply not enough business to warrant investment&#8230; either in people or  equipment.</b></i><br />
 </blockquote>The <i> Agora </i>view  is that we have a decline in demand which is driving the entire pattern  of productivity decline and lowered capital investment.  This is demand  driven deflation.  All the liquidity stimulus in the world fails in the  face of contracting demand.<br />
<br />
 <b>Bond Markets are Confirming the Deflationary Pressure</b><br />
<br />
 The third graph from the <i>5-Min. Forecast </i>shows the surge yesterday in the Treasuries market (falling rates).<br />
<br />
 <b><img style="max-width: 624px;" src="http://www.gold-speculator.com/attachments/john-lounsbury/11291d1281631692-end-expense-cutting-rope-98115-128155540413782-john-lounsbury.png" border="0" alt="" /><br />
 </b><br />
 With  the big sell-off in stocks underway today (Wednesday Aug. 11), the  10-year Treasury yield has dropped further to 2.69%.  The bond market is  now at levels not seen since March, 2009, as shown in the following  graph.<br />
<br />
<img style="max-width: 624px;" src="http://www.gold-speculator.com/attachments/john-lounsbury/11292d1281631692-end-expense-cutting-rope-98115-128155708741985-john-lounsbury_origin.png" border="0" alt="" /><br />
<br />
<br />
 The  bond market says we are back at March, 2009 conditions again.  The  stock market says we are much better off.  Both can't be right.  This  divergence was discussed recently <a href="http://seekingalpha.com/instablog/98115-john-lounsbury/86215-stocks-and-bonds-are-diverging" target="_blank">here.</a><br />
<br />
 <b>End of the Rope?</b><br />
<br />
 Has  the end of the rope been reached?  Can businesses no longer contract  their way to higher profits?  Who will win the battle of the markets -  stocks or bonds?<br />
<br />
 <b>Disclosure: </b>Long several S&amp;P 500 stocks. Both long and short positions in several Nasdaq stocks.</div>


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